Paramount, CBS File Lawsuit Against ‘Axanar’ [UPDATED]

CBS and Paramount have filed a lawsuit in California federal court against the producers of the independent and crowd-funded Axanar film project — citing a violation of their intellectual property, according to The Hollywood Reporter.

To date, the Axanar project has raised more than $1 million in crowdfunding on Kickstarter and Indiegogo. Until now, CBS and Paramount have tolerated fan productions — including Star Trek: New Voyages and Star Trek Continues. However, none of those have none have received the funding that Axanar has. Aside from the funding, the project also has professionals working on it, including several former Star Trek actors.

The complaint claims that ”The Axanar Works infringe Plaintiffs’ works by using innumerable copyrighted elements of Star Trek, including its settings, characters, species, and themes.”

If you’re not already aware of Axanar, the official description on their website states: ”Axanar takes place 21 years before the events of ‘Where no Man Has Gone Before’, the first Kirk episode of the original Star Trek. Axanar is the story of Garth of Izar, the legendary Starfleet captain who is Captain Kirk’s hero… Axanar tells the story of Garth and his crew during the Four Years War, the war with the Klingon Empire that almost tore the Federation apart. Garth’s victory at Axanar solidified the Federation and allowed it to become the entity we know in Kirk’s time. It is the year 2245 and the war with the Klingons ends here.”

Paramount’s Star Trek Beyond is set to be released in theaters on July 22 and CBS is currently developing their own television series for CBS All Access in 2017.

UPDATE:

The team behind Axanar responded to the suit on their Facebook page:

Well, it appears CBS knows that Axanar is exactly what fans want, because they are trying to shut us down! While Team Axanar will have a response shortly, know this DOES NOT deter us from what we are doing! Delivering to fans exactly what you want.
Goliath, meet David (and his thousands of screaming fans)!
‪#‎IstandwithAxanar‬

You can read the full complaint here.

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  • 00 Gundam Meister

    Star Trek fans, do you support Axanar?

    I suggest visiting the Twitter pages of CBS & Paramount & leave a message.

    #IStandWithAxanar

    LLAP.

    • Malphius

      I’ve already left several. The best thing to do is just boycott “Trek & The Furious”.

      • Bob Bobberson

        I agree. Time for a boycott.

        • Krazy Joe

          No way. Boycotts are for crybabies

          • Bob Bobberson

            Boycotts; voting with dollars. If you think voting is for babies, move to north Korea.

          • Krazy Joe

            Nope, uh uh

          • Bemyguest

            Embrace your inner child and cry with us.

            You can do it.

      • Da Han

        Ditto

      • Shadowkey392

        Agreed! Make it clear that we’ll make Star Trek: Beyond into the BIGGEST BOX-OFFICE BOMB IN HISTORY if they don’t drop this bull***t NOW.

        • Krazy Joe

          I’m seeing it.

      • Krazy Joe

        Not gonna happen. I’m seeing Star Trek Beyond opening day

        • Malphius

          To each their own.

        • Bob Bobberson

          Why bother? It’s probably going to be just as crappy as “into darkness”. And that’s pretty much the worst Trek film of all time. Hell, I’d “the final frontier” again before that POS.

          • Krazy Joe

            Into Darkness was crap but Star Trek Beyond has a new director so we Have no idea what to expect from Star Trek 13 until we see it. Besides, Star Trek 11 was awesOme

          • mhdaniels31

            I think box office sales and bluray sales say otherwise the new star trek reboots introduced star trek to a younger audience and did it in a way that made it feel different from the tv and movies of old. I only remeber those tv and movies watching them when i was a really small kid but I liked them but that kind of aproach wouldnt fly in the movies today I think its great for you guys to be nostalgic everything was better when you were a kid but realize your just taring something apart thats already proved itself because its different from what your used to thats called becoming old “everything was always better back in the day ahhh shucks” you remind me of my grandpa not that its bad but well you should understand my point by now

      • Krazy Joe

        Nope

        • Malphius

          Yep. It’s crap anyways.

    • maskddingo

      I support them in that I want them to make the movie they said they would. I –DO NOT– support them in their for-profit coffee business in winch they entered into a business partnership to sell coffee whose labels use intellectual property that clearly doesn’t belong to them, and that other entities doing the same would be required to pay licensing fees. I wan them to make the movie… but they are getting distracted, and you have only the people at Axanar themselves to blame for it.

      Again.. I want to see the movie.. but the Axanar folks have let us all down in this respect. It looks as though they are adopting a scorched earth policy too.. “If we can do it , then no one can”. My advise to Axanar people is to stop being so stand-off-ish and start playing by the rules. That is literally the -only hope- (albeit small) we have to ever see this movie.

      • Shadowkey392

        Correction. We have only the people at Paramount and CBS to blame. Axanar’s people have done nothing wrong. They only stuff they HAVE done, is stuff which HAS ALREADY BEEN DONE by countless fan films! #IStandWithAxanar

  • This is NONSENSE.
    “Of Gods & Men” AND “Renegades” both had ONLY “Star Trek”
    actors in them, and Viacom raised nary a peep ….

    #StandWithAxanar

    • Ian Tittle

      you cannot use the intellectual property of someone else for profit they will lose this big time its like patent infringment

      • athynz1

        Of Gods & Men and Renegades both had actors playing characters that are directly out of the licensed Star Trek franchise – Walter Koenig as Pavel Chekov, Tim Russ as Tuvok, Robert Picardo as Louis Zimmerman… and CBS did not sue or even send out any “cease and desist” notices. Why is Axanar any different?

        • My point exactly.

          • maskddingo

            Your point is moot because that’s not what they (CBS) are concerned with.

        • James b

          yes and they were able to….obviously Axanar did something wrong for them to illicit being sued.

          • Stephen Polasky

            What they did “wrong” was raise the standard of quality above what Paramount wants to meet.

          • Akeel Ahmad

            hi think it’s Paramount and BR crapping themselves that Axanar is doing a better job then they are and are trying to put the frighteners on them… whilst hiding behind the CBS name…. what CBS ought to do is hire the Axanar crew make it bona-fide canon then they have a product they know fans will love and Axanar don’t have to look over their shoulder…everyone wins (Except maybe Bad reboot )

          • Da Han

            Precisely. CBS/PAR should be offering licenses to qualified producers who want to franchise on a different branch. A win win.

          • maskddingo

            The sad thing is that they do offer licenses to use their IP. Axanar had enough to pay for it too. But they didn’t, and started selling coffee with CBS intellectual property on it instead. I wouldn’t doubt if CBS sent them some sort of communication warning them -before- the lawsuit. That is typical practice. You really don’t want to lawyer up unless you have to. Something tells me (based on the reaction to the lawsuit now) that the Axanar folks told them to shove it… or ignored the warnings.

            Warned or not, It’s entirely Axanar’s fault.

          • Da Han

            I was not aware of the coffee being sold utilizing PAR IP. And being the site is now a blank it’s merely conjecture at this point. Especially unless anyone can produce verifiable sales figures. If they did however profit by it utilizing definable PAR IP, then yes it would not be covered by fair use, and thats a no no. Nevertheless, we don’t know what if any warnings were sent to anyone unless someone here was a recipient, and can verify it. And we cannot readily determine here in the “internet court of law” whether fair use is going to be a useful defense or not. I for one cannot say one way or the other. But I can say it is a question of ‘Fair Use’. This much is certain. To say its entirely anyones fault yet, is jumping the gun.

          • maskddingo

            What they did wrong was enter into a for-profit commercial partnership to distribute coffee whose labels use IP that doesn’t belong to them.

          • sandwyrm

            Serious question: Do we have images of the label? Does it actually say “Star Trek” on it with a little Enterprise, or just “Axanar” and their logo?

          • athynz1

            What then? The Axanar project is completely transparent as far as what money came it, where it went and is going, and everyone was kept in the loop.

            And BTW just because there is a lawsuit does not mean that the Axanar crew did anything wrong. That is faulty logic on your part at best.

          • BTW

            Haha faulty logic? Lawsuits like this don’t EXIST unless there’s some evidence of wrong-doing.

            Something about a pot and a kettle and being black…can’t remember.

          • athynz1

            Then tell me something oh wise and knowledgeable one – since you apparently have all of the answers – why the lawsuit against Axanar and not any against Star Trek Continues, Of Gods and Men, Renegades, Farragut, etc.?

            And frivolous lawsuits occur all the time with no evidence of any wrongdoing. Here’s a link to 10 examples of such: https://www.legalzoom.com/articles/top-ten-frivolous-lawsuits

          • maskddingo

            Because only Axanar is selling coffee with CBS IP on it?

          • Christopher F.

            Actually, cease and desist and other lawsuits like this are frequently filed with no evidence of wrongdoing as a strong arm intimidation tactic.

          • formermountainman

            they received cease and desist and ignored it – hence the suit

          • Jaime Osbourn

            BS, ever hear the term “frivolous Lawsuit”. As a lawyer once said “you can indict a ham sandwich.” And until the facts are presented before a judge you have no idea what the merits of a case are.

          • maskddingo

            This is far from frivolous. The coffee is an egregious example of a for-profit copyright violation.

          • TheBoost

            Using someone else I without permission is wrong by definition.

            “Yeah but they’re cool why can’t CBS be cool too?!” Isn’t a legal defense.

          • Jaime Osbourn

            There is tacit permission and overt, and the article points out CBS and Paramount have ignored these fan films until now. So where is your point?

          • TheBoost

            My brother used to steal money out my grams purse when we were kids. I was never sure if she knew or not. I suppose that means she could never tell him to stop, especially when he went from taking nickels to taking twenties.

          • athynz1

            Which leads me back to the question of why sue Axanar when several others have also used the IP prior?

          • TheBoost

            That seems like such a teenager question. “Johnny was talking during class too! Why you pickin on me teacher?!” I certainly don’t know why.

            I think a fair assumption is that these newer productions are increasing the visibility, budget, and prestige, blurring the line. They’re not trying to look like a 1960s TV show. They’re trying to look lIke professional modern film productions, and then BRAGGING that they’re doing Trek better than the people who actually own it. It almost feels like the Axanar team are looking for a fight. Add to that the legal requirement to defend your intellectual property or lose your rights to it.

            But even if that’s not the case, even if Paramount is arbitrarily picking on Axanar just to be meanies, and they let that other Trek fan film get away with it because they personally like the Elvis impersonator who played Kirk, that doesn’t change the fact Paramount OWNS Trek and Axanar does NOT.

            If I robbed your house yesterday and didn’t get busted, it doesn’t mean someone else has the right to rob it today.

          • athynz1

            Nice with slinging the petty insults right out of the gate – it really makes the rest of your message stand out! Just because you cannot answer the question does not make it somehow invalid or “a teenager question”.

            Star Trek Renegades and Of Gods and Men used actors playing the exact same characters they did in licensed Star Trek productions – for example Walter Koening reprised his role of Pavel Chekov in both of these productions as did Tim Russ playing Tuvok – as I have already explained above. Star Trek Continues uses the exact same characters from TOS and also used the same actor in the role of Apollo from the original show “Who Mourns For Adonnis?” They also used the same uniforms, hairstyles, and set pieces as TOS. Those are the same exact violations that Axanar is currently being hit with.

            So now the question remains – why is Axanar being singled out?

          • Your Worst Nightmare

            Reason #1 – Axanar is a highly visible fan production.
            Reason #2 – Alec Peters is making a profit (along with his girlfriend) off of this film AS a producer which is a big legal no-no in regards to fan productions.
            Reason #3 – Peters has called this an independent production and has raised a million dollars in order to do this and build a studio using the Star Trek name without the expressed permission of Paramount or CBS.
            Reason #4 – Axanar has sold a ton of merchandise as “add-ons” to their Kickstarter and Indiegogo, again utilizing the Star Trek trademarks without the expressed permission of Paramount and CBS.
            Reason #5 – Because CBS/Paramount can and is making an example of Peters and Axanar for using their intellectual property without their expressed permission.

          • athynz1

            1) And?
            2) He and others are getting paid to do the project using the funds from the kickstarter – it’s not necessarily a profit. And it was all laid out from the beginning of the kickstarter when it first started.
            3) The amount of money is irrelevant and all of the fan made films had some form of studio access.
            4) I was not aware that the Ares ship, the patches from the Axanar production, or the music were also trademarks of CBS/Paramount.
            5) That is plausible and very likely. I suspect also that if Axanar was produced a year or two ago it would not be as big of a deal but since we are nearing the 50th anniversary IMHO CBS/PM is attempting to make sure nothing “interferes” with the brand.

        • Da Han

          It sounds like it was due to the breakdown of an attempted negotiating process. I don’t think OGAM, or Renegades ever made any attempt to interact with PAR and draw unwanted attention.

        • Keith Austin

          Of Gods & Men and Renegades may have had specific permission from Paramount/CBS/Viacom and who ever else or other probable owners of the intellectual property, hence why there was no fuss… Use intellectual property with permission/authorisation and all is fine, do it without and you put yourself in the cross-hairs of a legal battle… Axanar may not have applied for permission nor notified the owners of its intentions… this is a possible reason as to why they are in the firing line..

          • Jaime Osbourn

            Speculation, where is your proof either had permission? And what about the other fan films? Do you have any idea how many groups there are turning out Star Trek fan films?

          • Keith Austin

            I think if you were to re-read my comment, you will see I did say the others MAY HAVE HAD permission not DID HAVE permission.

            Speculation or not, it is fair comment.

            Why else is the intellectual property owners pursuing this lawsuit?

            Anaxar MUST have done something wrong for the owners to launch a case.

            The owners have claimed infringement of copyright, against Anaxar. As for all those other groups turning out Star Trek/Star Trek based fan films, if they have infringed on copyright law, I am sure the owners of the intellectual property will pursue the matter against them. As, (at this stage) the owners have not launched a lawsuit against the other groups, it is likely that they operated within the copyright laws. – Yes speculation, but still a very fair comment.

            You don’t have to be a legal professional to understand copyright laws. It is very simple – Use products including – sound, images, titles, characters, artwork, themes etc WITHOUT permission and you leave yourself open to legal action.

            It does not matter if the property was used for profit or not, if it was used without permission it is a copyright infringement. The owners are quite within their rights to take the matter to court – that is NOT speculation, it is legal fact.

          • Trout

            As a Renegades supporter, it is known we DID go to CBS et al with hopes of them picking up the title as a series. After a L O N G delay, the supporters were told CBS declined because of the upcomming movie, and their own planned series. Now, the Renegades pilot is released and production for at least two following episodes is underway…all for web release. My feeling is that giving CBS “first dibs” at the property (and much supposed lengthy negotiation by Sky Conway, Tim Russ, and Walter Koenig) made all the difference in the worl, er, quadrant.

      • Thomas Keefe

        What money? It was all going into production and distribution, they are not selling the movie or advertising it for profit. Almost all, or all the fan films are paid for by donations, they are spending on the production. they are not doing it for or at a profit.

        • My point exactly.

          • maskddingo

            When you sell coffee commercially using CBS IP and aren’t CBS, and don’t have a license for it… you are making money from something that doesn’t belong to you. Do you think it would be OK if I asked these guys to start producing coffee for me to sell that had Mickey Mouse on it? You think Disney would let that slide?

        • bellwether

          Technically, no film ever makes a net profit. The money “always goes into production and distribution” and “Hollywood accounting” practices ensure no net profits are ever made. Thus, Axanar may not be any different or other films in this regards. This looks to me like a bunch of professionals in the film industry trying to exploit some loopholes to raise money. Crowdfunding is open to abuse as is telemarketing. So what you have here is the public offering money to a doomed project which is a known film financing scam. See here
          http://www.crimes-of-persuasion.com/Crimes/Telemarketing/Outbound/Major/Investments/films.htm
          Scam film rather than fan film in my opinion 😉

        • formermountainman

          They are not just using the money for the production – they are also using it to build a for-profit studio, and that’s where CBS/PAR are having the problem

          • Jaime Osbourn

            How does a for profit studio differ from a not for profit studio?

          • Thomas Keefe

            So long as the studio isn’t making for profit Star Trek, I can’t see it causing any problems. Kind of like how Star Trek Hidden Frontier used their studio to make a non Trek series called Frontier Guard. So long as the studio isn’t making for profit Star Trek, it shouldn’t be an issue. And at least two different Treks have their own studios.

      • Hey genius, what “profit” are they using Viacom’s IP for?

        • formermountainman

          they are also using it to build a for-profit studio

        • maskddingo

          This: http://www.axanarcoffee.com/

          They are selling coffee for profit, and state: ‘A portion of the sales price goes directly to the film-makers of Axanar. ‘

          Notice the proceeds go to the ‘film makers’ not to ‘making the film’.

          Believe me, I want to see this movie made, but the people in charge of it effed up… Not CBS.

          • Adam Brashear

            Didn’t Alec Peters say he was a lawyer? This seems like an obvious bad move…I need answers.

      • SoothsayerofDOOM

        Why can’t I vote down! The movie has not been made – it has made no money. The funds are from fans to create the movie. Fans offered to do the same for Enterprise but No.

        • maskddingo

          They have made money though. In fact… one could argue that the film has (intentionally) been kept in a perpetual state of ‘almost happening’ because once it’s made.. the cash flow will dry up. Now, I don’t buy that argument myself, but one could certainly go down that route without much trouble.

      • Bob Bobberson

        But they have consented to them in the past. The timing kind of makes this an act of bad faith. There may actually be some legal recourse here…. I’m not saying they’ll win, But the at least have a leg to stand on. And I wonder if paramount will want to risk bad PR from suing fans (and a potential boycott) this close to the release of the film they’ve been trying so hard to convince us will put the franchise back on track. Maybe the should do another kick start thing to raise legal fees.

    • maskddingo

      It’s not nonsense at all. I’m guessing you don’t know the full story. I don’t think ‘Renegades’ or ‘Of Gods and Men’ ever entered into a commercial partnership to distribute branded coffee whose labels are spattered with CBS intellectual property. It’s an obvious violation, and I can guarantee you that is a massive part of what all this is about. Basically… It was a boneheaded move on the part of Axanar. Be angry at them.

  • Bob

    If Paramount could make a decent movie instead of the apple, IKEA looking crap they are putting out, ( I. E. fast and furious in space) maybe the fans would not need to do it ourselves!! Leave Axanar alone!!

    • James b

      so because a legal copyright holder makes poor movies you feel it is the right of a fan film to impede upon their legal rights and do as they wish?

      • Bob Bobberson

        They have always consented, with the stipulation that no profit is made. Im going to copy and past my comment from upthread…..

        The timing kind of makes this an act of bad faith. There may actually be some legal recourse here…. I’m not saying they’ll win, But they at least have a leg to stand on, legally speaking. And I wonder if paramount will want to risk bad PR from suing fans (and a potential boycott) this close to the release of the film they’ve been trying so hard to convince us will put the franchise back on track. Maybe the axenar producers should do another kick start thing to raise legal fees. and fans should Threaten a boycott. This thing could be made to go away, if enough noise is made.

        • Edohiguma

          That they have always consented in the past is irrelevant. Simple example: Just because I let certain people walk across my property doesn’t mean I have to let anybody else trespass. Yes, I have consented to these other people in the past, but that doesn’t give you the right to trespass.

          The crux is that this is being funded via kickstarter. People give them money. It’s not for profit? Technically it is. In order to have a successful kickstarter and start producing they need to reach the goal of said kickstarter.

          • Jaime Osbourn

            Beg to differ you cannot pick and choose whom you let violate your intellectual copyright. If you tolerate one you must tolerate all. Also look up the definition of profit. A kickstarter campaign is to raise the money to cover expected costs that is not profit.

          • maskddingo

            You -ABSOLUTELY- can “pick and choose whom you let violate your intellectual copyright”. That’s your right as the owner of the material. It’s not true at all that you must tolerate all or none. It’s yours. You have the rights to decide who does what with it.

            I understand you want to see the movie… I do to. But you are talking nonsense right now.

          • Bob Bobberson

            That’s true, about future productions, but this one has begun production already, that;s what I mean by bad faith. You can’t consent to some one walking across your property, then withdraw that consent while they’re halfway across, and THEN shoot them for trespassing.

          • maskddingo

            Do we ever know if CBS consented to Axanar using it’s IP to hawk coffee?

        • maskddingo

          “They have always consented, with the stipulation that no profit is made.”

          There is your answer. Axanar (or rather the guy who runs it) is making profit.

          • Bob Bobberson

            Do you work for bad robot?

    • Da Han

      Bravo

    • maskddingo

      The problem is not fans making films. the problem is films making a profit using CBS IP. This is what is being done with Axanar coffee. Quite egregiously I might add. I doubt that this coffee is the limit of the extent of their attempts to sell merchandise with CBS IP all over it, but it’s enough in and of itself to constitute a pretty gave violation.

  • Dan

    They are jsut pissed off because Axanar is very good.

    • maskddingo

      Axanar is very good? It doesn’t even exist!

  • Marcelo Carvalho

    So bad CBS/Paramount…!! So bad…! 😛

    • maskddingo

      Blame Axanar. They effed it up.

  • isn’t this an open-and-shut defense of laches? They’ve let these kinds of films slide by for years without comment, and clearly knew Axanar was in development (even giving it a blessing at one point, apparently).

    • IndyCarFan

      That is my opinion as well, i dont see how they can stand on anything when they have allowed all these fan made projects and now they decide to go after one that is going to upstage what JJCrap has done?

    • James b

      obviously something has changed. there was some sort of infringement that called the copyright holders to rally their forces…..you seem so hellbent on blaming the big guy when in reality they are the legal owners….using Mr Spock it would be logical to assume that the agreement was broken by Axanar….or that the copyright holders changed their minds…..sad if this is indeed the reality but within their rights,.

      • Bob Bobberson

        The Thing that changed is negative reaction to STID. They perceive Axanar as a Threat to the new Star trek fast & furious. Many old school fans might consider Ax. to be the “true” trek, so they’re trying to kill competition to the franchise.

        • Da Han

          Sounds about right

          • maskddingo

            No… it sounds freaking insane.

        • maskddingo

          Delusional, self-importance. That’s all your response was.

          To hold the belief that ‘Axanar’ would any way ‘compete’ with STB to the point where it would be stealing an audience is absolutely ludicrous.

          I wanted to see Axanar too… and I’d probably like it more that STB, but please come back to reality with me so we don’t make things worse. There is no way Axanar would cut into any of CBS’s profits. They are pissed that Axanar is using their IP to make money. They have good cause to believe that is happening given this: http://www.axanarcoffee.com/. It will all get sorted out in court.

          If I were you, I’d be more upset with the folks at Axanar. As mentioned countless times, other productions haven’t had problems… but then other productions haven’t tried to use CBS IP to brand their own coffee and sell it on the Internet. That’s bone-headed and I don’t see how you can blame anyone but Axanar. They have really let down the Star Trek community. God help them if there bone-head-ery leads to other productions getting shut down.

          • Bob Bobberson

            Why would I be upset with axanar? they’re the only ones trying to make real Star Trek. JJ abrams “star trek” is flat out stupid.

    • Edohiguma

      Because they’ve let it slide in the past is a really garbage legal defense. Simple example: Just because I let certain people walk across my property doesn’t mean I have to let anybody else trespass. Yes, I have consented to these other people in the past, but that doesn’t give you the right to trespass.

      The crux is that this is being funded via kickstarter. People give them money. It’s not for profit? Technically it is. In order to have a successful kickstarter and start producing they need to reach the goal of said kickstarter, that means that, technically, they need kickstarter profit. And with that goes the notion of “fan film” and “fair use” straight out the window.

      • Berrick

        If you want to get technical, you don’t understand what the word “profit” means. It’s when someone attains or produces something at cost x and sells it to someone else at price x+y, the “profit” being y. Nothing is being sold in a kickstarter fundraising. Furthermore, profit is free and clear, whereas the donations given in a fundraiser are dedicated to a specific use, such as the use of making a film funded by a kickstarter program.
        The copyright issue is a bit greyer. Your example of letting people cross your lawn is a bad analogy, since walking across a lawn is not at all similar to making a film, but let’s work with it: if you have said to the neighborhood in general, more than once, that it’s okay to cross your lawn, it will make it harder for you to get trespassing charges to stick on that one person you don’t like. CBS/Paramount has allowed fan films in the past, and have even expressed a tentative permission for them in general as long as the films did not make profit (as in people paying to buy the finished movie–not donations to fund its production). Almost all of the fan films have been funded by fan donations; none have made profit. There is clear precedence of their winking at these fan films, which interferes with the culpability of a new production team, such as the Axanar folks, doing the same thing.
        However, they will probably win a lawsuit because, despite the precedence of ignoring not-for-profit uses in the past, they still hold the copyrights. It’s just not as open and shut as you seem to think it is.

        • maskddingo

          This is profit for someone: http://www.axanarcoffee.com/

          • Berrick

            That would be profit for whoever is selling the coffee, but the donations they give to the film production are not (or, rather the donations they said they would give: none of those websites seem to exist anymore).
            I’m not sure about the merchandising you’re referring to, since everything I find when I look for Axanar is links to the “Prelude” video, information about the upcoming film, or news pieces on the lawsuit. I haven’t seen merchandising links or info on any of those sites. Maybe those have been removed as well.

    • maskddingo

      It’s not because it’s a fan-film. It’s the fact that Axanar is using CBS IP in merchandising which doesn’t fall under ‘kickstarter’ or even ‘croud-sourcing’. it’s just blatant commercialism… selling a product for a profit (using imagery you don’t hold the copyright to, no-less) on an e-commerce site. How they think this is OK to do is beyond me.

  • ¡David Oakes! 

    I recognise the actor playing the Vulcan – who is it ?

    He looks a lot like Mark Lenard as Sarek.

    • Christopher F.

      Its Gary Graham, reprising his role as Soval.

    • Is it Chris Sarandon?

  • It’s obvious that Fans want more Star Trek, so why CBS/Paramount doesn’t just buy these productions and make them official is beyond me.

    • Christopher F.

      Because they don’t want Star Trek anymore. They want generic action adventure franchise #37 that can endlessly churn out mindless plots and rehashes on the cheap for instant profit.

      They don’t want slow, cerebral, “nerdy” Star Trek, because that doesn’t make as much money as Fast and Furious X+1.

    • James b

      great idea but moot as now they are headed to the judges…..

    • Da Han

      Yes. Offer licenses.

      • maskddingo

        That sounds reasonable. I mean. If a production can secure $1million, it can afford to pay a licensing fee. They should have gotten a license for the coffee they are selling. That is already available.

        • Da Han

          I would agree. Especially if they profited by PAR IP oriented coffee and mass produced model kits. Merchandising is an entirely different subject than the filmmaking aspect.

    • maskddingo

      Well I think there is something to be said for that. If I were CBS I would try to find ways to embrace this stuff. I think for the most part, they have though. The only rule of ‘Don’t make a profit’ works… I admit the lines are very grey now with crowd-sourcing.

      However, the line -isn’t- grey when you are marketing coffee with CBS IP on it without a license agreement (like Axanar), so that is likely a big reason the hammer is coming down on them.

  • crazybatmanfan

    “However, none of those have none have received the funding that Axanar has.”

    Are you guys hiring for the editing department?

  • Christopher F.

    I donated in multiple campaigns, and I honestly believe this is the last light of Gene Roddenberry’s vision left. What CBS and Paramount have made is a dumbed down, lowest common denominator action series that dresses up in a starfleet uniform.

    It isn’t Trek. The JJverse Trek films are to true trekkies what the prequels were to Star Wars fans. Mindless drek that drags the name of the entire franchise down, and thats for a franchise that was already pretty low to start with by that point.

    CBS was aware of this the whole time. They could have stepped in at any time. But no, they chose to be complete dicks and wait until the thing was nearly finished before launching their suit in order to do maximum financial damage.

    You refuse to give true trekkies what we want, and then you try to take away the only people that are giving us what we want? What, you can’t compete with a quality offering of your own, so you’re just going to sue your way out of the predicament you find yourself in?

    Screw you CBS, screw you Paramount. #IStandWithAxanar

    • Betty Jo Miller Thaman

      Thank you for your thoughts on the JJ Treks and Star Wars prequels. I thought I was alone.

      • Malphius

        The trek prequels are garbage. They could have their place IF the series remains true to spirit. Not sure I see it happening.

      • Nooooo, you a certainly NOT alone.
        Abrams is a worthless HACK & those “movies” are an ABOMINATION.

    • muskratboy

      From the other side… screw off, the new Star Trek is freaking fantastic. Beautifully updated, it has everything a real fan could ever hope for.

      Of course, I’m basing this on actual Star Trek, not this fantasy-land version you’ve built in your head. There is LOTS of Trek in the “action series” vein… and there is plenty of intellectual content in the first new Star Trek.

      “True” Trekkies would realize what a great job they did, and appreciate finally having some decent Trek around here for a change. You can go back to watching ‘Enterprise’ on repeat.

      • SoothsayerofDOOM

        You are joking right? A fan of Lost maybe. Fans don’t want lens flares – we want real thought out Sci-Fi.

      • Bob Bobberson

        STID is a travesty.

      • Christopher F.

        Okay, well lets get straight to it. The heart of TOS was two things:
        1) Social commentary. Pretty much everything about the show was a redressing of social issues at the time, right down to the makeup of the crew.

        2) Kirk/Spock/Bones triad. Spock was cool logic and reason, Bones was emotion and empathy, and Kirk was the factor that balanced the two extremes into a synthesis that created a very unique and enjoyable dynamic.

        Neither of those two things is represented in the JJverse films.

        Kirk was the youngest captain in Federation history after… only 14 years of training. He wasn’t a brash asshole that didn’t even finish cadet school before being given command of one of the most dangerous weapons ever created by mankind.

        • Bob Bobberson

          And spock going off all emotional, two films in a row, seems like they intend to make this a regular feature, and ruin the whole of the character.

          • Christopher F.

            Its called Flanderization, where what started as a minor feature of a character over time overwhelms the rest of said character, reducing them to a two dimensional representation where previously they had been (more) three dimensional.

            So named after Ned Flanders on the Simpsons, where him being religious was originally a side factor of his personality, and slowly became his defining characteristic.

          • maskddingo

            I don’t think there is anything wrong with that because indeed, ‘Flanderization’ even happens to -real- people in -real- life. So him being ‘Flanderized’ could be viewed as quite normal development for the given charter they are trying to represent.

          • Berrick

            So, you’re suggesting that adding emotional reactions to a character who previously did not show emotions makes him less faceted. Your math doesn’t work there. No-emotions-ever= 1 side; whereas emotions-occasionally-and-no-emotions-usually= 2 sides. Besides, I always felt the attempts, from TOS on, to make the Vulcans emotionless really failed. They absolutely showed emotions; they just spoke their lines in a deadpan tone.

          • Christopher F.

            No, Spock had emotions but kept a tight reign on them, so that in the rare moments when he did let them slip were very special. It was the exclamation point to his character as a whole. Which becomes utterly worthless and destroys his entire character when it becomes the MAIN facet of his personality.

            New Spock was more an emotional being that occasionally managed to be logical, instead of the other way around. It was almost a complete 180 degree flip of what he should have been.

          • maskddingo

            One could argue that the loss of the planet Vulcan early in his life had changed Spocks ’emotional’ development from the prime universe version. In the jj-verese it seems he never had the time (or the place) to go to in order to learn to get his emotions in check. I don’t know if that would constitute ‘ruining’ the character (more like ‘expanding upon’) as even the JJ-movies themselves confirm the Spock-Prime is still out there.

          • Bob Bobberson

            Obviusly, you love “trek and furious”, that;s good for you, I’m happy you have something you enjoy. But it ain;t Star Trek.

    • James b

      I strongly disagree with your idea that if a franchise disappoints you other measures beyond simple avoiding their products is reasonable…..Standing with axanar, if they are at fault, is folly at best……

      • Bob Bobberson

        I believe there is an element of bad faith here. There is legal recourse, if the Axenar producers have already begun significant pre-production. They might not win, but they Paramount may not want the bad press of suing fans, or a potential boycott from a vocal fan base

        • maskddingo

          Axanar is the only party acting in ‘bad-faith’ here by selling coffee branded with elements they do not own.

    • SoothsayerofDOOM

      Go Christopher F. JJ wanted to turn Trek into Star Wars – now he has Star Wars and has dropped Trek. My feeling is JJ needed a big space production under his belt for his resume’ and vomited Star Trek 2009. Well you got Star Wars – please give us back our universe.

      • Christopher F.

        And don’t get me wrong here, I *LOVED* this new Star Wars, it hit all the right notes.

        My problem is that he tried to turn Star Trek into Star Wars, and there is a vast gulf between science fiction (Trek) and science fantasy (Wars). What works for Star Wars does not and cannot work for Star Trek.

    • athynz1

      While I don’t share the dislike of the JJ Trek movies I fully agree with your assessment of CBS/Paramount. #IstandwithAxanar

      • maskddingo

        They brought this on themselves…

        #BlameAxanar

    • maskddingo

      I agree for the most part but you blame the wrong party in the end. Blame Axanar. They were not willing or able to work withing the framework that CBS allowed. They decided to use CBS IP on coffee to make a profit. They didn’t need to do this to get the movie done. The blame is squarely on the management at Axanar. Be angry with them please.

      You aren’t going to see Axanar by yelling and screaming at CBS, but you still have a chance if you can convince Axanar people to start playing by the rules others have no problem following.

    • Berrick

      I don’t see the parallel to the Star Wars films. I absolutely hated the SW prequels, but I found the JJ Abrams Trek films mildly entertaining. I guess I’m not a “true trekkie,” whatever that means.

  • Christopher F.

    Petition to CBS to drop the suit:
    https://www.change.org/p/cbs-support-axanar

  • OphidianJaguar

    I can’t FUCKING BELIEVE THIS!!! Almost threw my cup of coffee against the wall. CBS lays out rules for Axanar to follow, they follow it, no prob. November 2nd CBS announces a new Star Trek show in production for January 2017 and now CBS decides to take legal action. Why? Because Axanar is NOT profiting off this? Because Axanar is good publicity for Star Trek? Because Axanar is the Star Trek fans want to see? Because Axanar is in no way taking money away from CBS?

    ‪#‎IstandwithAxanar‬

    • Ian Tittle

      do you know what intellectual property means

      • Leonard

        CBS was kept completely in the loop as to the status of Axanar and could at any time have said, “Hmm … this will need licensing guys”. They chose to wait until Axanar is nearly ready to roll in with the heavy-handed legal approach and create the maximum damage and maximum potential for extracting money. Not that we should expect any sort of decency from the filth that is corporate USA.

        • James b

          I said this earlier…no one, us common Joes, knows anything about the legalities that go on behind the scenes…..the fact is Axanar is reported to have violated CBS and other companies legal rights in regards to ST universe……How do you know CBS was kept in the loop? how do you know anything beyond the FACt the CBS/others own ST and have the right to do as they please with regards to their property……

          • Stephen Polasky

            Paramount’s claim states ”The Axanar Works infringe Plaintiffs’ works by using innumerable copyrighted elements of Star Trek, including its settings, characters, species, and themes.” If this is their position, then yes, from the get-go, starting all the way back in 2010 pre-production Axanar was stepping on Paramount’s toes, and yet they didn’t say a thing until after the luke-warm reception of their own Star Trek announcement and just before the release of this one? And they didn’t have anything to say about the several other productions that have used Star Trek elements? And they were in the loop. The Axanar folks did communicate with Paramount regarding their intentions and made public their non-profit agreement.

      • athynz1

        Did you miss the part where CBS layed out rules to follow? Did you miss that other fan films had actors reprising their CBS-licensed roles in? Let me guess – you work for CBS’ legal department?

        • SoothsayerofDOOM

          You can’t fault his argument – in just one sentence – all is answered. He must work for the CBS lawyer “GROSS” MAN.

      • SoothsayerofDOOM

        Do you understand fair use?

    • James b

      they followed their rules? Are you an insider to Axanar? While I am being argumentative there are several very well made fan films like Phase 2 and Continues that follow the rules…..they are doing just fine…….are you sure they followed all the rules? I wont go to Vegas on those odds but I could be wrong…..but nonetheless can they revoke fan film rights to one group of people and allow others?

      • Christopher F.

        He’s right, actually. Axanar has had constant meetings and interaction with the CBS staff to make sure they stayed within the fan film guideliness that CBS themselves put out.

        Those of us who donated to Axanar have actually been privy to details on some of those meetings.

    • maskddingo

      They didn’t follow the rule: “Don’t make money” when they decided to merchandise coffee branded with CBS IP on an e-commerce website. No wonder the hammer came down.

      Why would they need to market coffee when they have raised $1 million from fans? It’s unnecessary and it probably caused all of this.

      #BlameAxanar

      • Bob Bobberson

        Nice hashtag, JJ

  • It makes no sense… There is no way this can hurt potential income CBS has from the Star Trek franchise, it can only help.

    • Christopher F.

      It hurts their rebranding of the franchise from science fiction into “Explodey Space Action with Titties!” that gets Joe Schmoe’s butt in a theater seat for 2 hours.

    • maskddingo

      They are freaking selling coffee (for profit) that is branded with CBS IP without a license. That hurts them because when people who are actually paying licensing fees to sell star-trek branded goods find out, they will be pissed. Face it… Axanar effed up. They were likely warned and they (apparently) said f-u to CBS… Hence the lawsuit.

  • It is all moot now. The lawyers have entered the fray and Axanar is now living on borrowed time. 🙁

    • IndyCarFan

      IF Axanar goes down, all the other projects will go down as well, they cant single out just Axanar.

      • James b

        really? I would beg to differ…….They can offer privileges to anyone and deny to anyone….I am no lawyer but that only makes common sense. Since none of the others is going down presently logic would seem to dictate that AXANAR broke the rules somehow…..

        • SoothsayerofDOOM

          Common sense says Paramount and CBS shouldn’t have killed off the series in the first place and then call foul when a not for profit under fair use produces something that will give their vomit a run for its money. I have read the document that they are using – Renegades GUILTY, GODS and MEN GUILTY! Star Trek is a trademark – ST Continues GUILTY. Logic says if one is guilty or must be guilty in the realm of Trademarks and IP rights.

          • maskddingo

            I’m not sure if you are aware (in-fact, I’m sure you aren’t), but Axanar has absolutely gone above and beyond what is acceptable as a fan film… indeed they may have ruined it for everyone. Hardly an accomplishment worthy of praise, or support.

            #BlameAxanar

        • Bob Bobberson

          But if they’re denying Axenar (without provable cause) after they previously gave it a go-ahead, and significant pre-poduction is underway, Paramount could be sued. They could kill future productions, to be sure, But axenar could still get made. Bad press of a lawsuit with fans, could go a long way to make Paramount drop this.

      • maskddingo

        The other project will only go down if Axanar takes on a scorched earth policy. Their apparent strategy of saying ‘well other people do it’ in their defense might ultimately lead to everything getting shut down.. However, ‘well other people do it’ doesn’t apply to their coffee distribution venture (which i believe to be at the heart of this). other people certainly don’t do that.

    • SoothsayerofDOOM

      Not just any lawyer – GROSS MAN

      • Quick, to the legalmobile, Gross Man! *music*

  • IndyCarFan

    CBS knows that Axanar is better than the millions they are putting into that disaster that is JJCrap. CBS would be smart to listen to these fan made projects, reduced cost and making good quality. You want your service to launch based on attacking and suing Axanar?

    • maskddingo

      It’s Axanar’s fault with their bone-headed coffee venture.

      #BlameAxanar

      • Bob Bobberson

        Coffee, Coffee, Coffee. You actually might need to lay off coffee, you seem over caffinated.

        This is all Paramount’s fault for making films that are complete ass.

  • If Axanar is allowed to be released we need to boycott CBS.

    • SoothsayerofDOOM

      Don’t you mean NOT allowed

      • Christopher F.

        “If Axanar isn’t allowed to be released we need to boycott CBS”.

        Unless he edited it after you posted, his grammar is correct.

    • maskddingo

      What in the world would you be watching on CBS anyway? I’ve been ‘boycotting’ them for almost 2 decades because they can’t produce anything worth watching.

  • Dasjerm

    Bah, Paramount/CBS just wants attention. Star Wars is crushing everything in sight and Trek has become some petulant child crying in the corner looking for approval. Beyond looks silly and this new CBS show will probably suck. Frankly this Axanar thing looks horrible. “Fans” want this thing? Looks as boring as the Star Wars prequels, hell Trek has it’s own Jar Jar – they call him Shat.

    • SoothsayerofDOOM

      They actually call him Jar Jar Abrams.

    • Christopher F.

      Doesn’t really matter if the new show sucks are is brilliant, it won’t make it past the first season because CBS is locking it behind their proprietary streaming service pay wall. Anyone tech savvy enough to subscribe to that is savvy enough to just pirate the episodes.

      I would happily watch the series if they aired it with commercials. I’m not going to be held hostage to their second rate “Only stuff we own” Netflix/Hulu knock-off service over it.

      I, and I expect many, many others will simply pirate the show and CBS will get nothing for it. And after this, I won’t even feel bad for it.

      • maskddingo

        “Anyone tech savvy enough to subscribe to that is savvy enough to just pirate the episodes.”

        For the most part I think that is true. Although, I can guarantee you my parents would have a better shot of bringing up CBS on-demand than scouring the Internet for a pirated version (let alone knowing what to do when they found it). So I think there will be a significant amount of people that will actually pay for it (as it’s likely not going to be very expensive compared to cable.)

        I still don’t see how anyone can blame CBS in this. Axanar was absolutely using their IP for profit in selling coffee.

  • Ian Tittle

    well david is going to lose this one big time

    • James b

      I am leaning towards agreeing…..he/they did something wrong…….Sadly the ones who loose the most are the funders….most of that loot is spent or in equipment I would guess…how do they repay this….karma?

      • athynz1

        How do you know this? Are you familiar with the legalities of the situation? Just because CBS is suing does not mean they are in the wrong.

        • Downtroden Majority

          This is a gallery of Internet legal scholars. We don’t need all the facts. We really don’t need any facts. Just the headline and we will try it as is. Seriously, I think waiting for some facts would be a good idea. At this point either scenario is as possible as the other.

  • Alex McCoy

    What a bunch of greedy little bastards they are!
    The franchise stopped giving a damn about the fans a long time ago!
    The new movies done by the “Hack” JJ Abrams are proof of it!
    This looks way better than any Star Trek reboot I have seen so far!
    A big (Finger) to CBS!

  • DuckingGold

    Good, the thieves got what they deserved.

    • athynz1

      What thieves? Did you somehow miss that CBS laid out rules for Axanar to follow?

      • Thomas Keefe

        And that they are not using a single cent for profit, every bit of they money they got was for production and distribution costs. CBS laid out the rules for the various fan films. The only thieves I see are CBS for stealing from a not for profit group that is doing something good, and with good quality effects (no lens flares…lol)

        • James b

          do you really know what is going on behind the scenes? Other then what facebook is telling you? I am open minded but common sense leads me to believe that Axanar broke the rules…..

          • SoothsayerofDOOM

            Do you think CBS knows what is happening behind the scenes? Maybe their accountants just gave the forecast for Beyond after it was moved back.

        • Bob Bobberson

          what has them freaked out is that enough money was raised that the production might actually look professional. They know the old school fans hate the reboot, they want to make sure the vocal fan base doesn’t has an opposing vision of trek they can champion rather than the Abramsverse.

          • maskddingo

            Oh yeah. That has them -so- freaked out… I’m not pulling any more punches here… Your argument is freaking stupid. Not even in the mirror universe would Axanar even come close to impacting the success of STB.

            I do agree with your premise about old school fans not liking JJ-world, but have you even seen Axanar? I don’t think it’s even started filming (though it should have). Maybe it’ll be just as bad… If the quality of what they (eventually?) put out has any relation to their project management skills, It doesn’t bode well.

          • Bob Bobberson

            You think it’s stupid that That i’m saying they don’t want a competing vision? then why re they filing suit? why now? And have you seen STID? that’s a very low bar for Axana to overcome in terms of quality story telling.

          • Bob Bobberson

            it may not impact it financially, but it wouldn’t be hard to make something more watchable than jar jar abrams.

        • maskddingo

          That can’t be true…. They are in league with a company that is producing coffee labeled with CBS IP. Someone (other than CBS) is making money off of that.

          I want to see the movie made.. but Axanar people clearly effed up here. Can’t blame CBS one bit. They said ‘follow the rules’. Axanar said ‘NO’.

          #BlameAxanar

          • Thomas Keefe

            What nonsense are you talking about? Coffee? I never heard about that, and I want to see the sources for it. I want articles, press, video, something besides this.

      • maskddingo

        …and Axanar broke them…

        • athynz1

          Which ones? Reading over the complaints in the lawsuit the very same suit could be filed against anyone who made any sort of fan film. Next.

    • SoothsayerofDOOM

      Who are the thieves – the same money-fronting fans that were so desperate for some Trek that they went in droves (reluctantly) to suck on the teats of Jar Jar Abrams in the hopes that this would give their beloved show life.
      Only to experience a mindmeld with a gone-off sardine whose last thought was on when to have another bowel movement obviously INTO DARKNESS.
      So the fans called for a fan made production – again put money out for it to be produced just like Renegades and Gods or Men or New Voyages or ST Continues and then got what WE deserved – shafted.
      The thieves in this case are the fans – how many of you are there?
      This is how your comment reads, “Good, the thieving fans got what they deserved.”
      I need to go duck hunting.

      • maskddingo

        The people at Axanar Let you down with their coffee business venture. #BlameAxanar

  • Dennis Lin

    I do not think CBS will win much money from Axanar, They are just suing for the publicity of their new Trek show that is coming out in 2017 #IstandWithAxanar

    • maskddingo

      No, they are suing to set president so that no other fan-production ever has the gal to try to sell for-profit coffee that is branded with unlicensed CBS IP.

      #BlameAxanar

  • Nick Coombs

    somehow i see this released as a story of galaxy quest.

  • Mike Bawden

    You can read Axanar’s official response to the lawsuit here … http://bit.ly/AXNRlawsuit

  • Malphius

    Time for Trek Fans to move over to Babylon 5 anyways. It’s clear CBS and JJ have driven a stake through the heart of it.

    • SoothsayerofDOOM

      Normally it is the hero putting the stake into the Vampire but in this case the Vampire is CBS – curdling blood suckers and the hero are the fans who are begging for their show back. If we leave it alone for twenty years – don’t watch the reruns, wait for Beyond to flop – and Paramount to go out of business – then we can buy the rights for a $1.

  • James b

    I support fan films but only to the letter that they support the rights of the copyright holders……other fan films tread lightly….The complaint claims that ”The Axanar Works infringe Plaintiffs’ works by using innumerable copyrighted elements of Star Trek, including its settings, characters, species, and themes.” It appears Axanar went too far…..and now the embolden themselves when in reality they are definitely in the wrong. Should Istandwithaxanar really say Istandwithcopyrightinfringement.??…I hope the can get together and work this out but I am firmly in the court of the legal owners and the idea that there are rules to be followed and if they were broken…..consequences……sadly the biggest loosers are the private individuals who will loose out on cash they funded for this……

    • SoothsayerofDOOM

      So what about Renegades and Gods or Men. Original actors continuing original roles. By this same logic – all fan made films should be banned, including the Star Wars ones getting awards.

      • maskddingo

        The logic is that these other productions you mentioned didn’t enter into a for-profit arrangement to sell coffee branded with CBS IP they didn’t not obtain a license for. The folks at Axanar should have known better. They failed us all.

        #BlameAxanar

  • CubanWriter .
  • I’m going to make a few important statements as someone who produces a Trek fan series:

    Despite
    the money raised going to production costs, the fact remains that there
    was still money being given to a Star Trek production by fans. It
    doesn’t matter how the money is spent or by whom, it is a violation to
    have done this.

    Yes, other productions have used crowdfunding in
    the past and haven’t been hit with a lawsuit/C&D, but that doesn’t
    mean they weren’t breaking the rules. It just means that CBS/Paramount
    did not go after them. Perhaps it was because it was a much smaller
    amount (Axanar has over a million dollars of fan money right now, most
    fan productions would have been happy with two grand). Perhaps it was
    because the production values on most fan productions are lower (often
    intentionally so). Having high production values that could rival the
    legitimate Trek productions has always been something the community has
    tried to avoid for the most part. It’s a fine line between professional
    quality and high-level fan film quality. If you look at it and
    immediately think it might be a trailer for a new Trek film or series,
    you’ve done something wrong.

    I fully support all fan productions,
    including Axanar. I do not, however, support or condone when
    productions do things that break the rules and jeopardize the hard work
    of fan productions that haven’t broken any rules and work hard to not
    break any, even when it makes production very difficult. We’ve lost
    actors who have gone SAG. Could we have crowdfunded to be able to pay
    them? Probably, but that’s against the rules. It’s against the LAW. So
    we didn’t. We rewrote storylines or recast roles. The production team
    has sunk their own money into the episodes. The cast paid for their own
    uniforms. None of us are rich people and any cent of money we could spare
    we put into the costs of the production.

    I also need to make a
    very important point: Anyone who says CBS or Paramount don’t care about
    fans clearly hasn’t done any homework. Not only have they allowed us to
    use their IP for fan productions and been relatively supportive of them,
    they even invited Michael Gummelt of Star Trek Beyond
    to pitch his idea to Paramount for a new television series (Star Trek
    Uncharted) back in June of this year. Does this sound like an evil
    conglomerate that hates fans? In fact, the Axanar production already
    lost at least one actor a while ago because he knew it would get them in
    trouble to do crowdfunding.

    Don’t be angry at CBS and Paramount
    for protecting themselves when someone else broke the law. I’m also not
    saying to be mad at Axanar for putting together the project, just be mad that they ignored the rules that most of us have been playing by for years.

    I
    wish Axanar the best. Hopefully this can be resolved quickly and
    painlessly. I will be watching this closely because of how it impacts my
    life and a series I’ve produced. I selfishly hope that Axanar simply
    closes up shop on this production and pays the money back to the fans
    because other resolutions will have a more direct impact on me and my
    series.

    I love that Axanar has fans, but anyone who claims to be a
    Star Trek fan and doesn’t want CBS/Paramount to protect their IP
    confuses me. You can support fan productions, but you can’t not support
    the owner of the IP who is still putting out things under this banner.

    TL;DR
    version: Hopefully we get this resolved, but you can’t blame someone
    for protecting their IP. I just hope it doesn’t get ALL fan productions
    shut down.

  • BTW

    #istandwithgettingpermissiontousesomeoneelsesshit

    • Christopher F.

      #IStandWithTheyHadTheTacitApprovalForAFanFilmFromCBSAndOnlyLostItBecauseCBSThoughtItStartedLookingTooGood

    • athynz1

      Let me guess – you must be part of the Loeb and Loeb legal team. Isn’t this sort of behavior a conflict of interest? #theyhadpermissionandrulestofollowfromCBS #dosomebasicresearch

      • maskddingo

        #TheyBrokeTheRulesCBSAskedThemToFollowBySellingForProfitCoffeeUsingCBSIP

        #BlameAxanar

  • Paulo R. Mendes

    Cursed be the executives at CBS.

    • aprilvalleyaugast

      Alex peter was charging way over his budget

      that’s why we should never pay into Alex peter

      and that’ way the lawyers are trying to shut Alex peter down

      • Paulo R. Mendes

        Humm… I understood.

  • bellwether

    There is some reddit chatter about funds going to build Ares Studios too.
    Which, is a business expansion for profit making ventures.
    “…and other Sci-Fi projects. (Robert Burnett and I have already acquired the
    rights to a fantastic book series by David Gerrold.)”
    http://www.axanarproductions.com/ares-studios-launches/

  • Karl Grosvenor

    It’s all about greed and nothing else those people responsible should be ashamed of themselves!

  • Da Han

    There is a ‘Fair Use’ issue at the core of this. Unless otherwise proven, by the plaintiffs, no documented profit has been made. What’s more, if one considers the sheer number of fan books like the Star Trek Compendium published for profit (‘for education purposes only’) then one can see that fan films in essence are no different in that they are simply another form of digital publication.

    17 U.S.C. § 107

    Notwithstanding the provisions of sections 17 U.S.C. § 106 and 17 U.S.C. § 106A, the fair use of a copyrighted work, including such use by reproduction in copies or phonorecords or by any other means specified by that section, for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching (including multiple copies for classroom use), scholarship, or research, is not an infringement of copyright. In determining whether the use made of a work in any particular case is a fair use the factors to be considered shall include:

    the purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of a commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes;

    the nature of the copyrighted work;

    the amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole; and

    the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work.

    The fact that a work is unpublished shall not itself bar a finding of fair use if such finding is made upon consideration of all the above factors.

    This is the real reason PAR has done nothing to stop fanfilms. Because they know they cannot unless there is recorded profiteering. And even then, ‘fair use’ protects educational publication of copyrighted property.

    • Sam Anders

      This is not an issue of “Fair Use”. This is straight up IP infringement. These assholes are even selling coffee with stolen CBS/Paramount IP. They built a for-profit studio with donor money and haven’t even finished a single set/cast the film, and you think it’s already the greatest gift to the Trek Universe? Delusional. MILLIONS of people will see ST:B and LOVE it. Nobody gives a crap about a fan film where the producer casts HIMSELF as the lead. http://www.axanarcoffee.com/

      • Da Han

        I personally prefer ST:C to anything out there including JJverse because I’m a TOS purist. So ‘greatest gift’? Nope. I do however think this is not a simple open and shut case. We need to let the courts decide, and cut the libelous B.S.

    • maskddingo

      This site: http://www.axanarcoffee.com

      …destroys anything you tried to say.

      It is not ‘fair use’ to take a CBS owned Qo’noS matt-painting (for example) and use it to brand coffee you and you business partner are selling for-profit.

    • bellwether
  • Christopher Dalton

    I don’t blame CBS/Paramount for filing that lawsuit. Alec Peters should have known better. But, due to his foolishness and egotism, he has not only ruined his own production, he has also placed other fan films in jeopardy of being cancelled by CBS/Paramount.

    I don’t care if Star Trek Continues, Starship Ajax, and the Star Trek Anthology gets cancelled, but I really don’t want to see New Voyages and Farragut get the axe because of Peters’ stupidity.

    • maskddingo

      New Voyages? Why? They never put out any episodes. I think we’ve been waiting almost 4 years for “The Holiest Thing”. They pretty much axed themselves. The new Kirk they got can’t hold a candle to Elvis… anyway… I don’t think they would even be on CBS’s radar now, so you should be good.

  • Edohiguma

    Who cares? It’s just Star Trek, where military dictatorship is celebrated as great and unelected senators rule everything.

    Show me where any of the TV shows featured elections. TOS never did. The whole next generation thing was a homo sapiens club where the military is in charge of people’s lives. Starfleet that does everything (including police work, which throws the separation of military and police completely out the window) and the so called “senate” controls all politics and in order to become a senator characters get appointed (for their “wisdom” or similar wishy-washy nonsense), not elected.

    That’s an “utopia” I piss on.

    Garbage old franchise is still garbage and old. Let it rest in pieces.

    • Bob Bobberson

      Um I think you’re on the wrong thread. You must be thinking of Star Wars.

      “The President of the United Federation of Planets is the democratically elected head of state and head of government of the United Federation of Planets. As leader of the Federation, the president is widely considered the most powerful person in the known Alpha and Beta Quadrants.”

  • jacko116

    Why all the fight… wouldn’t everyone get along better if CBS and Paramount recognize the incredible job done by the Axanar guys and chip in for a better production?!

    this is really stupid… the BIG ones forget that the lack of a Star Trek Series since Enterprise (and ten years later) fans wouldn’t do anything in their hands to keep Gene Roddenberry’s dream alive? And for what is worth, wouldn’t Axanar (at no cost to CBS and Paramount) help their marketing for their new film Star Trek Film and the supposed 2017 new series?

    It seems that someone in the Finance/Marketing/Production departments of both media giants are not doing their algebra correctly… (I bet they can get anyone from NASA for free to crunch the numbers for them.)

    Live Long and Prosper

    ..:::END TRANSMISSION:::..

    • maskddingo

      Incredible work = praise.

      Incredible work + trying to sell unlicensed coffee branded with CBS IP for your own gain = lawsuit.

      Oh BTW… we are still waiting on that ‘incredible work’ that should have been done by now.

  • jacko116

    Why all the fight… wouldn’t everyone get along better if CBS and
    Paramount recognize the incredible job done by the Axanar guys and chip
    in for a better production?!

    this is really stupid… the BIG ones
    forget that the lack of a Star Trek Series since Enterprise (and ten
    years later) fans wouldn’t do anything in their hands to keep Gene
    Roddenberry’s dream alive? And for what is worth, wouldn’t Axanar (at no
    cost to CBS and Paramount) help their marketing for their new film Star
    Trek Film and the supposed 2017 new series?

    It seems that someone
    in the Finance/Marketing/Production departments of both media giants
    are not doing their algebra correctly… (I bet they can get anyone from
    NASA for free to crunch the numbers for them.)

    Live Long and Prosper

    ..:::END TRANSMISSION:::..

  • Joel Masters

    I so support Axanar CBS is just wanting there take of your $. Hell if they can sue for bull shit can we sue because CBS/Paramount hasn’t made a new trek series it’ll be 11yrs now and because there movies seem to just suck.

    • maskddingo

      Axanar also wants your money… Maybe more than CBS.
      Point is… CBS has a right to getting a cut for this property if it’s making money for someone (as it most certainly is via axnarcoffeee.com).

  • Berrick

    There are a lot of red herrings in the responses here.
    It doesn’t matter whether you liked the Abrams Trek movies or not.
    It doesn’t matter whether CBS has created Trek series you enjoyed, or enough to satisfy your desires for them in the past few decades.
    It doesn’t matter whether you would prefer the Axanar film to the upcoming Trek movie.
    I loved the “Prelude” fictional documentary and was looking forward to the film, but I also have enjoyed the JJ Abrams Trek movies; I know that’s blasphemy to the stubborn Trek-classicists who think they have some moral right to dictate what someone does with the Trek fictional universe.
    I also have some bad news for all those crying “boycott.” People who have ever heard of Axanar are so few that CBS/Paramount will not lose significant profit from a boycott.
    I do wish CBS/Paramount would allow this film to go ahead, but someone in the comments suggested that the Axanar team has used some of its fundraising to build a for-profit studio, making this situation much more complicated.

    • maskddingo

      A RATIONAL PERSON!

      If I could, I’d thumb-you-up twice… (not in an sexual way).

  • Robert

    So, rock tribute bands play on stage , they actually make money, sell cds, t shirts . And every thing is fine in the world of music. What we have here is, corporate greed plain and simple. CBS knows that these fan made trek shows are getting better by the show with more appearance by original star trek actors. And they are starting to get nervous because when you can get over one million hits on you tube for a 21min trailer which was out standing on a budget next to nothing is concerning for them.

    • maskddingo

      No… CBS is not nervous at all. It’s hardly a concern… If the new reality is that you can make a trailer that awes people on the cheap, then CBS will adopt that paradigm and make trailers on the cheap. They certainly have the ability to do so.

      The problem (ok… ‘one’ of the problems) here is that Axanar is selling coffee that is branded with CBS IP. I’m sure CBS would be ok of they paid licensing fees, but Axanar is not working in good-faith in that respect and instead pushing the boundaries of the law. In doing so, they have provoked CBS to make a response. That response is predicable: A lawsuit intended to stop the violation.

  • next bubble

    The Axanar team has posted a letter from David Gerrold (writer of “The Trouble with Tribbles” on the topic: http://www.axanarproductions.com/david-gerrold-on-cbs-vs-axanar-part-1/

    • maskddingo

      I read what he said about working with fan films to license things. It’s very rational… I would agree that there is enough desire and mutual benefit there to hash out a more legitimate framework for these fan-works to exist. However, this is what is so troubling about Axanar and where we are today. They -failed- to even try to obtain the available license for marketing star trek merch (the coffee) they probably could have obtained given how much they raised. I’m not sure if this was the catalyst to it all or not, but it’s the one major, obvious, violation. If they can’t respect that, what’s to make us believe they would act in good faith if CBS actually had a fan-film license arrangement for Star Trek?

  • Shadowkey392

    BULL*****T!!!! Axanar has done NOTHING but play by the rules this entire time, Paramount! So back off, or we (the Trekkies) will make sure you get not even a cent when Star Trek: Beyond comes out! This is what we WANT, Paramount! Do NOT get in our way! This is your ONLY warning!

  • vaughn durant

    How very Ferengi of CBS/Paramount. They are shooting themselves in the foot with this lawsuit. Depriving fans of what they want will surely backfire. A high quality fan fiction movie will only stoke the fires of Trek interest. It’s a big Universe and fans can’t get enough of it. CBS will NOT lose viewership if Axanar is released. But bad feelings could lose them bigtime. Here’s something to think about CBS…
    John Wanamaker found an employee in a
    dispute with a customer. She wanted a blouse that was being sold only
    with a skirt. The clerk was insisting they only came together. Wanamaker
    walked over to the clerk and whispered in his ear the secret of
    marketing: “Give the lady what she wants.”

  • Bemyguest

    All these studio jerks care about is money. Ergo it would be a shame for them if fans skipped out on the next Star Trek film.
    You listening Paramount?

  • Vlad Vondoom

    My legal advice. First file a motion to dismiss for latches. Paramount knew of Axanar since at least 2012. Their complete inaction is a bar to suing at a later date. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laches_%28equity%29